A Profile of the Prophetic Person by R. Loren Sandford
What kind of person is prophetic? Is there a personality profile that accompanies the gift? Are there common life experiences among prophetic people that result in similar defining characteristics? The answer is that prophetic people vary in nature as widely as the population in general while at the same time sharing to a significant degree a number of elements of personality and life experience. We come in all sizes and shapes, some of us serious in nature and some of us loving a good joke, some intellectual and others having no education at all. But at heart, we are very much alike in many respects.
Rarely happy - Burden-bearing
Prophetic people are rarely "happy" people, at least until they have served long and made peace with the pain, with the gift and with God. First, remember that the training for a prophetic person involves depths of crushing and breaking incomprehensible to the average person. This training period and the heaviness of spirit that may accompany it can last for many years, but the heaviness need not be permanent. Seasoned prophetic people who have persevered over time in seeking the presence and the heart of God and who have allowed the character changes to occur that were the purpose of the suffering, come at last into a deep and abiding peace and joy that are not easily shaken. One source of the dark moodiness that so plagues some prophetic types, therefore, is the pressure of the constant seasons of crucifixion required to produce the character adjustments that are so essential to the calling.
The burden-bearing function I have mentioned so often is one of the most difficult aspects of prophetic awareness to sort out and balance. The emotional weight of the faithlessness and unrighteousness of the people of Israel so crushed Moses that he pled with God to kill him (Numbers 11:15). Jeremiah bore the burden of Israel's sin and the destruction that was to come so deeply that scholars have dubbed him "the weeping prophet".
I recall visiting my girlfriend's home on the top of a mountain overlooking Spokane, Washington when I was just sixteen years old. From the huge picture window in the living room the entire city could be seen laid out below like a sparkling jewel lighting up the night. As I stood before that window one evening gazing out at the lights, an almost physical force of something I didn't understand came rushing up at me from the city and flooded my heart. I began to weep without an inkling of understanding of what it was about. I knew only that it hurt and that the grief overflowed my emotional controls. Years later, I understood that my Lord had identified my heart and spirit with the sin and pain of the people and had allowed to me to feel it compassionately, to bear the burden of it within myself for a moment.
Had I understood it at the time, I would have answered the call to pray, but I was too young. Prophetic analysis and understanding of that kind of prompting would come later. At the age of sixteen it simply became part of my ongoing struggle with depression and added to my sense of weirdness, not to mention the judgment of others that I was a bit strange.
Most of the prophetic people I know today are much like me at the age of sixteen, lacking the awareness, training and seasoning necessary to sort out what emotional currents are theirs personally from those that are not, much less avoid being overwhelmed. Much moody unhappiness results. Without good pastoring or coaching from others who understand, the resulting depressive episodes can become a prison of habit that further isolates the prophetic person from real connection with others and label him or her as weird and/or unstable.
In my early years of ministry as an adult I would force myself to think it through, "Is there any reason in my own life for me to be feeling these things?" If an adequate answer could not be found in my own situation, I would assume the feelings had their source in something I was sensing for someone else. When I had determined that it applied to something outside of myself, I would pray for revelation concerning what it was, whether it concerned an individual or some wider issue affecting groups of people or nations. Finally, I would pray concerning the revelation I received. So far so good. Even today I begin that way when the burdens come.
The trouble came when my childhood training took over. From my earliest years my parents schooled me in emotional control and suppression rather than healthy emotional release. Consequently, I would identify certain feelings as coming from an outside source and then put them in another "room" in my heart, while I went on about my daily business. It was a form of suppression that felt natural and right to me because of the way I had been trained.
I did not learn until years later how destructive that approach was. In that other room the feelings had nowhere to go. Much like a septic tank that eventually needs to be pumped in order to remain functional, the feelings only built up and became infected until I was overcome by a huge mass of undefined pain and confusion that could no longer be controlled or understood. The room had been filled. Once filled, the overflowing pain I had locked away in that place made it difficult for me to hear from God clearly or see any of the positive things He was accomplishing in my life and ministry.
I finally fell into clinical depression and remained there for many years, although I continued to function as a pastor, husband and father. No one understood. Several attempts at counseling led nowhere, having run aground on the failure of my counselors to understand what they were dealing with. At last, at the perfect time in my life and in the plan of God, I met a healing couple whose tools and level of compassion were just the right stuff. With their help God granted release and freedom where locked up feelings were concerned, not just in the area of burden bearing, but in all of my emotional life. Everyone connected with me benefited, beginning with my family.
Months later, I found myself once again overwhelmed. Waves of paranoia, fear and despair that I knew had no root in my own life threatened to sweep me away, but this time the outcome was different. Good counseling had at last connected me with the Father's love at a level I had never before known, so that as I sought the Lord in prayer, He did something new with me. I share it here as a visual representation of the scriptural command in II Peter 5:6-7,
"Therefore humble yourselves under the mighty hand of God, that He may exalt you at the proper time, casting all your anxiety on Him, because He cares for you." As I prayed, I suddenly felt as if I had become the center of an inverted funnel standing under and inside the mouth of an upsidedown tornado of the Holy Spirit swirling all around me. The funnel served as a great vortex drawing the paranoia, fear and despair out of my people and up through me to the Lord.
After what must have been about thirty minutes of this form of resting in the Spirit and letting the swirling funnel do its work, I found myself in a state of perfect peace. Better than this, I was filled with a clean, rested and holy love for my people that I had not felt in a very long time. That day I participated in a quinseannera (fifteenth year rite of passage for a girl in Mexican culture) for one the families in our church and enjoyed a whole new sense of tender love and joy for my people as I moved among them.
Today, I take care to remember the inverted funnel and what it means in terms of passing things through to Jesus. It helps keep me in the joy and prevents my spiritual plumbing from clogging up with unsurrendered burdens picked up from the folk around me. Jesus is the burden-bearer/intercessor, not me. I am just a servant. Burden bearing can be a prophetic indicator pointing the way to prayer, but done wrongly, it can be enormously destructive. Dealing with burden bearing can be one of the most difficult learning curves for any prophetic person to master, and so unhappiness persists.
II Corinthians 12:7-10, "Because of the surpassing greatness of the revelations, for this reason, to keep me from exalting myself, there was given me a thorn in the flesh, a messenger of Satan to torment me to keep me from exalting myself. Concerning this I implored the Lord three times that it might leave me. And He has said to me, 'My grace is sufficient for you, for power is perfected in weakness.' Most gladly, therefore, I will rather boast about my weaknesses, so that the power of Christ may dwell in me. Therefore I am well content with weaknesses, with insults, with distresses, with persecutions, with difficulties, for Christ's sake; for when I am weak, then I am strong."
I have already written of the necessity and purpose of the wilderness in the life of the prophetic person. Even with the abiding peace and joy that come with maturity, some elements of wilderness suffering never end. Paul pled three times for release from his thorn in the flesh, but was denied for his own sake and that of the kingdom of God. The flesh remains a persistent and relentless opponent requiring much discipline from the Father who loves us. Matthew 16:24, "Then Jesus said to His disciples, 'If anyone wishes to come after Me, he must deny himself, and take up his cross and follow Me.'" Luke 9:23 adds the word, "daily". What is the cross if not an instrument of death? Is it not the place where corrupt flesh dies so that new life can emerge in union with Jesus in His resurrection?
While every believer responding to the call to discipleship must live this life of the cross, it must go deeper for the prophetic person, and so there are constant blows to pride and ego and to those elements of character that do not yet resonate the character of Jesus. Sometimes this aspect of the heavy hand of God sends me into seasons of heaviness, but mostly at this more mature stage of my life I am able to welcome it in gratitude and go on with joy undisturbed. Proverbs 17:10, "A rebuke goes deeper into one who has understanding Than a hundred blows into a fool." Proverbs 27:6, "Faithful are the wounds of a friend, But deceitful are the kisses of an enemy." And what a friend I have in Jesus!
But this life of humbling and breaking can cause the prophetic person, especially the immature and unseasoned, to appear to be constantly unhappy.
Prophetic types are usually eccentric personalities who have experienced more than their share of rejection because they do not think, feel or even act like normal folk. Not only are they misunderstood by others, and even by their families and intimate loved ones, but they are seldom understood even by themselves. Like so many things prophetic people face internally, this lack of self-understanding passes when maturity comes, often with the help of good counselors, but I do not think I know of a prophetic person who has not experienced it.
Many a burden-bearing child with prophetic gifts becomes the family scapegoat, the repository of everything the rest of the family cannot face or express. Instinctively the brothers and sisters, and parents as well, project their pain onto the moody one, often acting it out with ridicule and torment until a root of rejection takes hold that shapes life and pollutes perceptions.
Additionally, the prophetic child may experience things that seem strange or weird to others. There may be dreams, visitations in the night by angels or demons, visions and things the prophetic child can "see" that others cannot (like angels or demons). He or she may share these things with the rest of the family and be ridiculed for it, which only serves to reinforce the growing root of rejection and sense of imminent danger everywhere in the child's world.
In response, such a child may develop illegal self-protections based in judgments on others and fear of vulnerability that carry over into adult life. As a result, the prophetic person may subconsciously and sometimes deliberately reject the very fellowship that would be so healing and helpful for balance if it could only be accepted. Worse, these self-protective judgments and fears can open the door to demonic influence masquerading as God. Genuine prophetic gifts can be invaded and co-opted for the enemy's unclean purposes while the victim never knows the difference.
If not faced head-on, this can lead to a compromised ministry in which some perceptions and some "words" are demonic and destructive in ways that become obvious to everyone but the one giving them. Such demonic influence can make discernment into the lives of others invasive and violating. Thus compromised, the prophetic person may see into things the demon reveals but that God would have kept concealed. He or she may demand vulnerability of others without ever sharing anything of real substance from his or her own heart. The information may then be used to strengthen his or her own sphere of influence and sense of position at the expense of those who should have been receiving ministry. People instinctively react to this with mistrust, which adds to the problem of rejection.
As eccentrics, we prophetic people ask questions about life and faith that do not seem to matter to others and, in pondering these questions, we often find ourselves off in a dream world somewhere while the rest of the world passes us by. We are looking for answers and seeking the deep meaning of things and we find ourselves incapable of settling for shallow or easy answers. The quest often consumes so much of our awareness that we seem disconnected, even aloof, from other people. Life seems to hold a different set of meanings for us than for regular folk.
Because of this lack of things to hold in common, people sometimes have trouble relating to us as friends and peers. For instance, when all that matters to me is the spiritual significance of the next natural disaster, it can become difficult to join others in their excitement over last Sunday's victory for the local professional football team. Being prophetic can enforce a profound sense of loneliness and isolation. Normal folk do not know how to relate.
It goes further. Prophetic people live as forerunners. They are usually one step ahead of the rest of the body of Christ. When other people are down and out, the prophetic person may already be rejoicing in the blessing to come. Or when others catch up and find the joy and the blessing the prophet saw coming, the prophet has already moved on and now grieves over the failure and apostasy that will form the essence of the coming days.
In my own ministry, I have always seemed to be on a different page than everyone else. For instance, I am a worship leader, but I have never been allowed by God to do the music everyone else is doing. I am always different, always writing in different vein or choosing different songs than the mainstream.
I recall when the Father's love became the major emphasis of the renewal I am a part of. It was wonderful and life changing for untold thousands, but my prophetic eye knew where it was going and so from the beginning I fought for the corrective balance, moving against the mainstream to bring about that balance. It was not until years later that we had a high level meeting in which leadership stated that we had focused on the Father's love at the expense of the centrality of Jesus and His sacrifice. It was a day of welcome return to balance but for years I felt out of step.
This loneliness and isolation can cause damage to more than ministry. It is not unusual to find significant conflict in a prophetic marriage because the prophetic one is so often not "present" for the mate. Worse, until the root of rejection is healed, the prophetic person can misinterpret even innocent things his or her mate does. Something as simple as a call to, "Come out of it!" can be interpreted as criticism and rejection.
I left home in 1969, but I can still see my father sunk down in his easy chair, lost in a world of his own, pondering the deep mysteries of the universe while my mother stood defiantly before him, hands planted firmly on her hips, fire leaping from her eyes as she nearly shouted, "John! You come out here and talk with me!" After several minutes of this, he would suddenly look stuporously up at her as if nothing had been going on and grunt, "Huh?" Of course, by this time she was furious while he acted as though his feelings were hurt, having not a clue why she would be so upset.
The same thing would happen as we children tore up the house and fought with one another. Mom would call for help while Dad remained oblivious and withdrawn, plumbing the depths of some question of profound importance. Eventually my desperate mother would lose her temper in her demands that he be aware and helpful. It was not easy for either of them. Obviously, being married to a prophetic person can require both patience and understanding in extra measure, especially when the wounds of rejection go back to childhood and now color present perceptions of every relationship.
In this memory I am perhaps 6 years old. It is 3:00 a.m. and I have been awakened by a breeze of wonderful power-filled wind and light blowing the full length of my body and causing me to feel as if I am floating a foot above my bed. I have no idea what this is, but I know that it is wonderful and as I reach out to take hold of it to try to make it last, it fades away as if the window through which it blew were slowly being closed.
Another night I am awakened at about the same time by a smothering force that paralyzes and terrifies me. This time I struggle and when I can finally speak, I cry out, "Dad!" until he comes running to my bedside to hold and comfort me. When at last I feel quiet and secure he explains that I have been attacked by an evil spirit and that when it happens again I must use the name of Jesus. At the name of Jesus every knee in heaven and earth must bow - my first practical lesson in Philippians 2:10-11. I protest that when I am attacked, I cannot speak, but he assures me that the demon will know what I am trying to say. I tested his instruction the next time I experienced a similar attack and found that my father was absolutely right.
I thought everyone had these experiences. I really believed that all fathers paid visits to the heavens during the night and had dreams shared by their friends thousands of miles away in which they met with one another and conversed. How painful it was to be ridiculed and even ostracized by other children when I innocently shared these things!
What other sixteen-year-old stands in his girlfriend's living room weeping over the city for no discernable reason? What do his testosterone-deranged friends think of such things? What can a kid who ponders the depth of every question and who settles for no easy answers find in common with those whose lives consist of sports, fighting, girls and beer?
The sixteen year old walks into an empty room at night with his friends behind him and stops dead in his tracks, adrenaline suddenly driving his heart rate higher, as a vision of a medieval warrior in full armor and weaponry appears below a canopy of swirling demons. He forces down an urge to cry out audibly in the name of Jesus and reaches for the light switch to make it all go away as his friends file through the door behind him. Warfare in the heavenlies comes early to this young and frightened prophet.
Even in his teens he must avert his eyes from directly engaging others because they can seem so penetrating that his gaze makes them uncomfortable. Girlfriends don't last long because his emotional intensity burns them out while his discernment lets him see more of their hurt and confusion than they are comfortable with. At seventeen years of age he attends a bachelor party where friends of the groom have hired a stripper. He is the only virgin in the room and so the stripper singles him out for a lap dance. His only defense against this unwelcome invasion is to prophesy her life story to her as she plants herself in his face. Deeply shaken, she backs away and leaves the party.
He walks alone, even when he is with others and only then if he can learn to play their games and find their rhythms - a rare and tasty experience. Or he leads the pack, creating the flow himself without really becoming one of the gang. He learned long ago not to share what he really sees and feels. He may never have a truly close friend. If he is blessed he may find a mate to walk with whose special qualities of patience and kindness equip her to carry his heart.
How he deals with loneliness will determine the shape of his life, whether it becomes a hard walk of bitterness in isolation and self-protection or a place of deep, sweet and private communion with God that becomes a fountainhead of peace and love for the sake of others. He may vacillate between the two extremes until he settles on one side or the other. With good help and the hand of God he will make the right choice. Without that help he may join the ranks of those unsubmitted, bitter and arrogant pseudo-spiritual, self-appointed so-called prophets who torment pastors and their congregations with streams of condemnation and judgment - until asked to leave. He may become a Jezebel, using his gifts in illegal self-protective ways to build a power base under his control at his pastors' expense and to the detriment of the church.
Prophetic personalities often have little consciousness of what might be seen by others to be weird behavior and they may tend to communicate in ways that neither they nor others fully understand. John the Baptist wore camel skin and ate bugs! Hardly normal behavior! Ezekiel dug holes in the city wall and carried his travel baggage around all day just for people to see (Ezekiel 12). And that was nothing compared to Ezekiel 4 where he built a toy city in the public place, and then laid down by it for the better part of 430 days. If that were not enough, he had himself tied up with ropes. He did all of this just to proclaim the siege and destruction of Jerusalem and the deportation of the population into exile. "Normal" people would never entertain such instructions as coming from God.
My prophetic father never seemed to know or care what people might think of his abnormal behavior, whether or not that behavior was supposed to be prophetic. For instance, I always knew when he was on his way home because I could hear him singing in tongues at the top of his lungs from far away as he walked the several blocks from the church. Never mind that the neighborhood could hear him! Countless Sundays he got himself in hot water with the people of the church for preaching his latest prophetic revelation, having no awareness at all of how it might affect them. I am not sure he cared about that, but I know my mother did and she let him know about it over and over again.
Jeremiah 20:7-10, "O Lord, You have deceived me and I was deceived; You have overcome me and prevailed. I have become a laughingstock all day long; Everyone mocks me. For each time I speak, I cry aloud; I proclaim violence and destruction, Because for me the word of the Lord has resulted In reproach and derision all day long. But if I say, 'I will not remember Him Or speak anymore in His name,' Then in my heart it becomes like a burning fire Shut up in my bones; And I am weary of holding it in, And I cannot endure it. For I have heard the whispering of many, 'Terror on every side! Denounce him; yes, let us denounce him!' All my trusted friends, Watching for my fall, say: 'Perhaps he will be deceived, so that we may prevail against him And take our revenge on him.'"
During my high school years in the 1960s we lived in a small mining town where my father pastored a church just two blocks from the street where five houses of prostitution operated openly with neon signs advertising their presence. My father spoke prophetically against them and drew persecution for it. When I was sixteen years old I wrote a letter to the editor of the local newspaper in which I spoke against the presence of these houses of ill repute and outlined how other communities spoke of our city - and especially of our girls - as a result of their presence. I was a musician in a traveling rock group at the time. I knew firsthand what was being said in other communities across the region.
The city rose up in virtual unison to persecute us for challenging this "sacred" institution. Anonymous phone calls came to our home questioning whether I was really a man.
In addition to this, our family pioneered the charismatic movement in our denomination and inner healing for the wider body of Christ. We were prophetic forerunners. As a result of this we suffered persecution on every side. Vile accusations were made. The teachings were twisted and distorted beyond all recognition in order create justification for vilification. In Bible times they threw Jeremiah down a well. Elijah fled for his life to escape death at the hands of Jezebel.
True prophetic people who have not yet fully made peace with the calling and its consequences can therefore seem crusty at times. They can appear to be angry and defensive because they are geared up and prepared in advance for your negative response. They have been lied about, misunderstood and misrepresented and it hurts.
What may seem to be pride can therefore actually be simple defensiveness. What appears to be a hard and arrogant exterior can conceal a gentle and wounded heart of love. Those who would nurture prophetic people must work to see past this defensive and even offensive exterior. My own family has fought a long battle against a pattern of always gearing up for a fight.
Worse we developed a stronghold of arrogant hubris to cover our sense of rejection. The rest of world - the source of so much pain - was sick, but not us. We had the revelation. We knew what life was really all about. We were the mature ones in possession of the truth because of the experiences we shared. The rest of the Christian world just did not know.
Those who would minister to prophetic people must take these things into account and determine to see past them. Compassion and understanding, not frontal assault on perceived character flaws, wins the day. Trust comes hard to the prophetic person, but it can be earned by one who comes in love.
It is not unusual for a prophetic type - or anyone with high calling - to have been born in the midst of some kind of life-threatening trauma or to have a history of scrapes with death or serious injury, especially in childhood. The enemy of our soul has an obvious vested interest in cutting off a destiny before it can happen, especially when that destiny touches the lives of many others.
Pharaoh sought to kill all the male babies in Israel in order to reduce the threat their numbers represented. Moses' family saved his life by placing him in a basket and floating him downriver where he was found by Pharaoh's daughter and raised in her household. Herod tried desperately to kill Jesus before He could reach the age of two. As my own mother was in labor with me, there was a foul up with her anesthetic. I could have been stillborn.
My life since birth has been peppered with near misses, like the time I felt myself supernaturally hurled into the air off of a ski jump I knew well - and I am an expert skier. I found myself surrounded by blackness and much too high to land safely. I overshot the slope that would have taken up the force of my descent and came down so hard from so high up that both of my skis popped off. The loss of my skis threw me forward onto the top of my head in rock solid hard packed snow, driving my chin into my chest with incredible force. A ski patrolman who witnessed the accident thought I was dead. I got up and skied away, but I should not have. My neck hurt for weeks. One of my prophetic prayer people had been warned in a dream and had prayed for my protection before I went to the mountain. Prophetic people need to be covered by protective prayers from those who love them. Lives and destinies are at stake in an ongoing war.
Prophetic people are often over-serious about life and themselves and may have real difficulty just laughing and playing. Some discover their calling late in life, having had no inkling beforehand, but many are born with a crushing sense of destiny. From the earliest childhood they live under a sense of urgency.
I myself cannot remember a time when I did not feel a sense of urgent destiny. As a child I could not wait to grow up. At the age of two I spoke with the clarity and vocabulary of a child twice my age. I did everything early. In school I refused to sing "kid" songs because they seemed so silly and immature. The teacher thought I was being uncooperative. There is no time for childhood. There is a destiny to fulfill! They called me "the little old man" even before I started school.
Part of the seriousness comes from the other attributes and influences I have already listed. The prophetic person often feels all of these things long before there is any possibility of understanding them. So there is little time to really play and not much room to laugh, until maturity, seasoning and the cross bring the character of the prophetic person to rest. At the age of 54, I am just now finding my freedom. Maturity for the prophetic person can take a lot longer than for the one who does not walk under the burden of that kind of calling. It is the difference between sprinting the one hundred meters and running the marathon. The goal is further away and it takes longer to get there.
Some essentials
In light of all this, it would seem obvious that most prophetic people need serious healing work. God has given us the tools in the various streams and forms of Christian counseling that have emerged over the last few decades. Holiness and character adjustment are imperative for the prophetic person and that means transformation of character at the deepest levels. The resources are out there. We have only to avail ourselves of them.
Pastors and leaders must nurture these people with grace and understanding, without taking offense at their quirks and brokenesses. It is too easy to be defensive or fearful when these often wounded people cross boundaries or act out their fears and lacerations of heart. Correction can be brought but let it be brought with compassion and love with an eye to healing.
Prophetic people need good friends who lovingly make them play, laugh (especially at themselves) and celebrate the goodness of their humanity. Over the years God has sent me people who informed me - they did not ask me - that I was going skiing the following Tuesday. One brother would simply present himself at my office and ask with a grin on his face, "Can Loren come out and play?" Outside on his trailer behind his truck would be a pair of go-carts. Off we would go for a couple of hours of fun! I came back refreshed and more balanced than when I left.
There should be good people of prayer in every church who take prophetic people into their hearts to be watchmen and watchwomen for their lives. In Ephesians 6:18-20 the apostle Paul wrote, "With all prayer and petition pray at all times in the Spirit, and with this in view, be on the alert with all perseverance and petition for all the saints, and pray on my behalf, that utterance may be given to me in the opening of my mouth, to make known with boldness the mystery of the gospel, for which I am an ambassador in chains; that in proclaiming it I may speak boldly, as I ought to speak." In short, he called for prayers of protection and prayers for the effectiveness of his ministry. We prophetic people are lost without that kind of support.
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When I encountered R. Loren Sandford, I felt like Willard meeting Kurtz for the first time in Apocalypse Now.....
He has just published a new book containing the above material in a revised format:
COMING IN mid-MAY FROM CHOSEN BOOKS!
"UNDERSTANDING PROPHETIC PEOPLE: Blessings and Problems with the Prophetic Gift" by Pastor Loren Sandford, includes a foreword by John Paul Jackson.
- why prophets seem extreme and moody
- how prophetic people hear from God
- the difference between adrenaline and anointing
- the four signs of a true prophet
- how to pastor a prophetic person
- how to recognize this gift in children
Prophets can learn to step out of loneliness and isolation into balance and wholeness. As they grow in this unique calling, the Body of Christ will indeed be blessed.
ENDORSEMENTS:
When Loren asked me to consider writing an endorsement for his new book, "Understanding Prophetic People", I looked forward to reading the manuscript as I have both enjoyed and appreciated his previous books. What I was not expecting, however, was a classic! When I first began in prophetic ministry in the early '80s Loren's father's book, "The Elijah Task", was the classic I and many others looked to for understanding the ministry of a prophet. However, what was sorely missing until now was the companion book on the making and make up of a true prophet. Because the message is the messenger and the prophet is the prophecy, this book is a must read for both the church at large and for all called by God to be His prophetic spokespeople. It is with real excitement that I recommend the study of this book. It will prove to be an invaluable lifelong tool for many who desire to know God's voice and ways. MARC A. DUPONT, Mantle of Praise Ministries, Inc.
With piercing accuracy, R. Loren Sandford paints a vivid picture for us in his new book, "Understanding Prophetic People". Not only will this book grant sanity to prophetically gifted people, but it will give a measure of peace to pastors in their quest to relate to strongly gifted prophets. This is a welcome addition to the growing arsenal of equipping materials to help mature the prophetic movement. DR. JAMES GOLL, Encounters Network; author, "The Coming Prophetic Revolution", "The Seer", "Dream Language" and many others.
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I have lived all this and more - I might say something - the key to a prophetic person is understanding the burden of eternity in their hearts and how they have been chosen for this. I am finally entering into ever Deepening Joy and Peace - but it was not until I encountered Graham Cooke and received a deep impartation of Heavenly Peace and ever increasing Joy in the Lord Jesus Christ that I was able to reconcile the burden of Eternity and the suffering - my encounter with the work and ministry of Graham Cooke actually healed me in a very deep place my spirit. This stuff is extremely close to home - the devil tried to kill me several times and once nearly succeeded - I was so badly busted up, I was dying and Jesus actually had to put me back in body - my Life is protected . The isolation is more existential now although the depression - the way I dealt with it was to shift into a Pelagian-Nietzschean strength of will thing, I have come out of that now although I am still numbered with the warrior prophetic - having the entire universe kicked through my cognition drove my work on the relationship Holy Spirit and Human Cognition - that is still with me - I can hear all of You - your heartbeats, your Lives, your thoughts, your colours,your signatures, although the hearing, the seeing, the knowing, the discerning and the understanding all collide and get mixed up with each other - this is the Lightning running through my veins, so please forgive me if I act a little strange. There comes a point where they say you are a whole new psychology and you are out-counselling the counsellors and the cure feels like it really will send you crazy - I have been rearranged, reformatted to Live this - the whole pneumatic cognition thing pulled me through -I basically wrote my own pneumatic epistemology - the Spirit still changes things - the stuff on LOVE was the most recent - they should have said this was a whole new pneumatology - if only they had said that back in the 1980s when I was kicking around with Leftfield radical intelligensia and this former Vineyard pastor, then a Church of England Curate in the HTB network came whizzing up on rocket powered rollerskates and said "you're prophetic"....and everything caught fire.....and Lightning started running through my veins - the rush came and everything unblocked simultaneously - I was being opened - it is like all the doors opening at once and then the flood starts rushing in and you have to cognitively process this and remember who you are and that you need to breathe - it has become just like breathing.
Comments
Thankyou, ....I cried and cried in my heart, reading this.
The journey in the desert of life behind me has been so very long -- after reading this, I would go back and do it all over again, knowing I would find this to read one day.
We surely are a different kind of personality than the others...it was like reading my own life story.
This surely blessed me, and I thankyou from my heart.
Julie
Hi. Walking the Prophetic is a Road of Fire and Tears. When I first started to really experiece the changes or the "opening" in the mid 1960s [it accelerated after the 1972 Charismatic Wave] that I later knew was the Prophetic "kicking in" - it was very much "Ground Control to Major Tom"......I can see your signature in the Spirituals and your Anointing for Deep Prophetic Intercession - your heart will be healed and is being healed.
In the Love of the LORD Jesus Christ.
Mark
Hi Mark, thankyou for your reply, and your encouragement.
When the Lord wooed me out of a long prodigal journey, with a double portion of His absolute mercy, grace and shepherd heart-filled love, not to mentioned divine protection from childhood, and through the rebellious years, it was surely a treasure to be able to find my Father's heart again, returning forever to my First Love.
How kind the Lord has been to me, how faithful, patient and in love, He 'allowed' me, watching over my every step of gadding about with ever protective eyes and concern, fully knowing, that I would return to the darkness of the world, and there I found His light --- in a miraculous way.
The Prodigal in us in certainly so heartfelt glad to know that returning to the Father's house there He will be with open arms and a cloak of His love around us. I admit I was very concerned about meeting 'the older brother' at the door of His house -- however, in those hidden years, He counselled me, and was always way ahead of me. Even if 'we think' we are going 'our way', He knows that we are in fact following Him, as He is the shepherd in front of us, leading us with angels at our side, in our every footstep.
The older brother is to be equally encouraged for his faithfulness, and Im sure the two brothers would find a new and deeper sibling friendship when the Father showed a perfect role model of 'my son has returned, and I Am rejoices'.
In a desert without God, it just isnt a safe place.
How patient the Lord has been toward me; His love broke through and I was no longer captive, His heart tranferred into mine again, and the 'egypt' within me was completely emptied and replace with a fulness of Him.
Just recently I wrote a 'prophetic word' for our Pastor, and I can't help but say, that in part, 'an Elijah wind is coming into His house' -- I believe the prophetic saints are marching back to their first love, and the stomping of the vast amount of them can be heard in my heart. They will be tired, smelly, bruised, broken, refined and ready to speak boldly forth, in total surrender, in spirit and in His truths; and the wise healthy balanced Pastors, with shepherd hearts, will lead them gently back into the fold of His house.
For too long, the misunderstood prophetic saints have been unable to feel safe enough to return to the Lord's house -- in complete understanding, there may have previously been 'false prophets' that hurt wonderful true shepherds and the brethren in years past. Though I believe the Lord has sharpened those who are in our arena of gifting, with much tears and repentance, He has led them into strong understanding --- and the sword of His word is seared in their hearts.
His house operates and flows completely effective, with His approval, with a five fold ministry; and for those of us who have been chosen to serve Him and His brethren in the prophetic, in humility and in love, He will speak His truth in us for the building up of the body in these last days.
My Yeshua, My Lord, My King of Kings, My Counsellor, My Abba, Daddy, El Shaddai...is soon to return for His bride.
blessings
julie
Julie
The LORD wants YOU to work on this:
Ephesians 4:15 Instead, speaking the truth in love, we will in all things grow up into him who is the Head, that is, Christ.
OK: I am going to reach out and touch your Heart. You are going start to experience some shifts in your Heartland - some perceptual shifts and new ways of expressing yourself in loving tenderness BUT with a burning passion for the Truth.
The LORD is also going to send HIS Angel ahead of YOU in pastoral situations and you are going to have aseries of Divine Appointments and Assignations.
YOU are going to move to a place where His LIVING WORD is not seared in your Heart BUT sealed in your Heart and that is where your strength will be hidden and it will be this:
Psalm 91:1 (NKJV) She who dwells in the secret place of the Most High
Shall abide under the shadow of the Almighty.
Now I am going to give you some of my Anointing and your words are going to have POWER and I mean POWER - and I am going to do this by prophesying to the John 3:8 Wind that is following through YOU - I am prophesying to the Breath, HIS Ruach!
Your Anointing will increase and your Christian Character will deepen.
In the Love of the LORD Jesus Christ.
Mark
Hello Mark,
Your pastoral heart shines through, thankyou so much for your encouragement and I took note of it all; already there is a joy a witness in my heart as I read your words.
Unbeknown to you, it is so true, the Lord has brought to my attention of speaking the love in truth, as ones with our calling, especially in the days of immaturity, we can be harsh, that black and whiteness is of no use to the Lord unless we speak with the character of His Son; Gal 5.21 is perhaps a scripture we need to meditate upon, girding ourselves with those words as we clothe ourselves with His armour each new morning.
Isaiah is perhaps one of my more favourite readings -- his eloquence of speech and sound narration of the Hebrew -- one not to mince his words, that are prompt with a deep reverence and passion for His Lord.
Psalm 91:10 -12 was also a scripture that is very special to me, one I first was given in my earlier years -- that His angels have surely watched over me, and continue to do so -- the hunger within me now to know Him more intimately, to serve Him for His purposes, to seek Him first, and His righteousness is a joy that I cannot express.
His love changes us -- perfectly and completely -- we no longer are captive to the world if we just dare to seek Him first.
These surely are the days of Elijah; His spirit is pouring out upon the world, we are a blessed people to be in His service.
Just yesterday in my writings the Lord had impressed on me that we are not to be a people alseep, that we are to 'Wake Up', that His house is not to be turned into a marketplace, He also impressed upon me that He will not bless passivity in His house or complacement attitudes.
He will 'shake up' His house, that gossip, murmuring, dissenion and the like is to cease; this grieves Him. The enemy tries over and over at opportune moments to work through people where offence, unforgiveness, pride and 'religion' remains in their hearts.
He will sweep clean His house where the tares try to lord over the wheat, yet they will both remain as this is His protective measure that the wheat is not mistaken for the tare.
We are a people that must pray, seek His heart, stand in the gap as He leads us to, be vigilant watchmen and women, that our eyes and ears guard His temple, that our branches are attached to His vine, and that they may be laiden with much fruit in His service to others, as His ones who worship in spirit and in truth, as His servants.
Your words spoken over me are received with much gratitude; I praise Him for loyal servants and divine appointments that we may know Him more.
'If my people, will humble themselves and seek His face.....then I will bless them, then I will heal them...."
julie
involved that all of the attention is turned from hearing God to yourself. You will spend your whole life working on yourself trying to get yourself somewhere and never do anything for God, In one act of Holy Ghost power Peter received the boldness and insight to preach repentance to those who confronted them on the day of Pentecost and gave them the prophecy of Joel. And ye shall receive power after the Holy Ghost comes upon you. Get the power and you can do all things through Christ that strengthens you. It's not by your might or your power but by the Spirit of God. Stop all your whining and get to seeking the power of the prophecy, God will do it all, If you are willing to have a coal of fire touch your lips. You call yourself prophetic, then believe what the word says, your unbelief is the source of your depression and your desire to please people rather than speak for God. Do you want to be popular, a show business prophet tell people
their phone numbers, or how in thee days they will have a great ministry, or
someone will give them riches if they sow into you ministry. Jesus took a whip to people like that and drove them away from Gods house. If you sleep with Jezebel he will throw you into a bed of tribulation, and the children that come from your fornication will perish, because false doctrine brings death.
to be loved by all and believe me I know how to do that, but I have a word delivered to me from Jesus and he is not at all happy with his church
THE WORD OF THE LORD RECEIVED AUGUST 5, 2003.
Hold on, grab hold of the solid foundation. For I the Lord shall begin a shaking. For I have eyes that go to and fro in all the earth. I have seen transgression. Judgment shall begin in the house of the Lord. There are those who call themselves servants but they are of the house of Absalom, and they are sons of Aaron. For they have offered strange fire unto me and they have sought to take my throne for themselves. They have committed whoredoms in my sight, and joined the Holy One of Israel unto prostitutes. I will cast them out as the whore casts out the water of her cleansing. For I am he that has eyes as flames of fire, And I am he that has feet made of brass and in my hand is a rod of iron that my Father gave me to rule the nations. I have stood before my tree and found it to have rotten fruit, but also I have found good fruit, because of this my Father will prune the branches, and cast those of the Synagogue of Satan into the fire. Cover your eyes saith the Lord. For what I am about to do will astonish you for I shall cause the strongest of men, that their hearts will fail them for fear. For I will send fire and pillars of smoke and shake the very foundations of Heaven and cause her stars to fall. Fear not ye who are of the house of the Lord. For I shall overshadow you, and those that gather unto me I will cover with my wings of protection, and I will put in your hand the prosperity of the Lord, and you will have a touch that is like unto gold, and I will cause your leaf not to wither, For whatsoever you do it shall prosper and yea though ye be as dry as a wilderness, and yea though ye be as dead as Aaron's rod, I the Lord will make a fountain spring forth in you and I will make you bloom and bring forth fruit, and whosoever shall stretch forth their hand against you it shall wither, saith the Lord. And whosoever shall seek to take your office shall turn leprous, saith the Lord. For those things that I say I shall do saith the Lord, and those things that I speak I shall bring to pass, none shall hinder me nor shall none quench me saith the Lord.
Numagost
I read a lot of this type of material from other 'prophetic voices' around me.
So:
1. Shaking. YES.
2. The sequential apocalyptic material. I find the Trinity to be very DEEP and subtle in their Prophetic and Incarnational Intentionalities.
3. The Prophetic Office - I KNOW WHAT I AM DOING or "I KNOW MY BUSINESS" - to quote Smith Wigglesworth. This discussion is not an accident. As for turning leprous I am prepared to take that on - I know exactly what I am doing and my sphere of ministry.
As for you - your whole paradigm for engaging the prophetic office and the prophetic ministry will be changed and radically altered in the next six months - You will become a different man. Really, you can test me in this - you will very quickly find out if I am the real deal or simply shouting into the wind.
Mark
Numagost
Try taking this part of your Prophetic Word:
"For I shall overshadow you, and those that gather unto me I will cover with my wings of protection, and I will put in your hand the prosperity of the Lord, and you will have a touch that is like unto gold, and I will cause your leaf not to wither, For whatsoever you do it shall prosper and yea though ye be as dry as a wilderness, and yea though ye be as dead as Aaron's rod, I the Lord will make a fountain spring forth in you and I will make you bloom and bring forth fruit"
And I am going to use some material from Graham Cooke - who is a Spiritual Genius and the real ticket when it comes to the Prophetic - there are others - John Paul Jackson, Dutch Sheets, James Goll, Kris Vallotton, Larry Randolph, R. Loren Sandford to name a handful - BUT for the moment just run with Graham Cooke in this particular discussion:
[Something happens in the Spiritual and Heavenly Places when you encounter Spiritually Deep and Heavenly Men and Women - You find yourself having to swim for it and you also receive an Impartation in the form of a Divine Acceleration whereby if you could slay 1,000s before, You can now slay Tens of Thousands.
These people are Temples of the HOLY Spirit and Living Water is flowing out from them.
Ezekiel 47:1 -6
The River From the Temple
1 The man brought me back to the entrance of the temple, and I saw water coming out from under the threshold of the temple toward the east (for the temple faced east). The water was coming down from under the south side of the temple, south of the altar. 2 He then brought me out through the north gate and led me around the outside to the outer gate facing east, and the water was flowing from the south side.
3 As the man went eastward with a measuring line in his hand, he measured off a thousand cubits ] and then led me through water that was ankle-deep.
AT FIRST, LISTENING TO SOMEONE LIKE GRAHAM COOKE IS EXPERIENCING THE ANOINTING OF THE HOLY SPIRIT IN THEIR WORDS FLOWING OVER YOUR FEET - THEN IT STARTS TO RISE AND BECOME DEEPER.
4 He measured off another thousand cubits and led me through water that was knee-deep. He measured off another thousand and led me through water that was up to the waist.
IT QUICKLY REACHES WAIST LEVEL AND CONFIRMS THE GOSPEL - THAT BELT OF TRUTH.
5 He measured off another thousand, but now it was a river that I could not cross, because the water had risen and was deep enough to swim in—a river that no one could cross.
IT WILL BECOME SO DEEP - YOU WILL JUST HAVE TO SWIM FOR IT - SWIM FURTHER IN AND DEEPER INTO THE ANOINTING OF THE HOLY SPIRIT FLOWING THROUGH AND IN THEIR WORDS.
6 He asked me, "Son of man, do you see this?"
SO, DO YOU SEE THIS?
John 7:38 Whoever believes in me, as the Scripture has said, streams of living water will flow from within him."
1 Corinthians 6:19 Do you not know that your body is a Temple of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own
AND SO, IF YOU SPEND SOME TIME LISTENING TO SAY GRAHAM COOKE YOU WILL BECOME ABLE TO SLAY YOUR TENS OF THOUSANDS...YOU MAY ARRIVE BEING ABLE TO SLAY YOUR 1,000s BUT YOU WILL LEAVE BEING ABLE TO SLAY YOUR TENS OF THOUSANDS:
1 Samuel 18:6,7
6 When the men were returning home after David had killed the Philistine, the women came out from all the towns of Israel to meet King Saul with singing and dancing, with joyful songs and with tambourines and lutes. 7 As they danced, they sang:
"Saul has slain his thousands,
and David his tens of thousands."
This is the real meaning of Divine Acceleration and the Anointing is Communicable.
Here is weblink to Graham Cooke in Myspace with four of his 'Sermons':
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=176560889
I have to say I like Graham Cooke a lot so I have chosen him as an example to illustrate this BUT thre are others I could choose, like Bill Johnson for instance.]
So try this:
When we deal with Prophetics or when You receive a prophetic word, God is speaking to You and into You on one level and releasing You on another level into His purpose, His intention for you.
As that word begins to communicate with you - prophesy to you and as you begin to respond and study the word you have received and really study it - things open out, springs open up - there is always more revelation in the subtext.
Every prophetic word has two attributions - surface and depth - you can skate over the surface of the word or you can dive down into the depths and when you launch out into the deep of the word you have received - things open up - the word starts to speak a deeper and more profound level into who you are becoming through His grace and work in You and your faith in Him.
The promises that the Lord releases into your Life through scripture as the Living Word and prophetic words quicken us - they set us on fire - when they enter us - when HIS BREATH ENTERS US,THAT FILLING AND RELEASING - we receive security, certainty, confidence, vision, strength and purpose.
So - additonal meaning is always embedded and hidden in every prophetic word you receive - whether it comes through Scripture as Rhema or someone speaking into your Life.
As you start to swim out into the deep places of the Word you have received and dive down into the word - more springs of the Deep open up and more revelation is released.
The word you receive will show you your gaps,where you have inadequacies but it will also start to tug at you and call you forward - call you out of yourself into Him and his ever abounding and abiding grace - which always meets us at our lowest point and takes us up on Eagles Wings - His Grace and Your Faith turns insecurity and inadequacy into vulnerability and peace - His opened side for you and His peace that flows into you like a rising tide.
Meditate, grab hold of the word you receive and the Holy Spirit will release supporting scriptures - write them down and allow the seeds to keep growing up into trees and seeding again.
Prophecy begins a process in each of us - build your prophetic word into your Devotional Life and routine - this is walking it out - it is walking the territory God is releasing into your Life- it is taking possession of the promise.
Stand, kneel. lie on the words you receive - press them out and press on through - meditate on the implications of the words you receive and follow the songlines and trails that the Holy Spirit opens up to you as they will lead to scriptures and other prophetic words - this is a Living Process, a Rule of Life, a Rule of Faith, a Rule of Love.
When you get a prophetic word write it down in short paragraphs -not just as one long block of words - so that you can pray through the word devotionally and prophetically- then to study the word write it out in double spaced bullet points and more revelation will come.
Write down the additional revelation YOU are receiving in the gaps between the bullet points and then use it in devotional prayer -start asking the Lord to make YOU the person YOU need to become for that word to be released and fulfilled in your Life.
Our Hearts always respond and open in a fundamental way to His Revelation.
When you read prophetic words and stuff look for repeated phrases and words - activators which speak into your spirit and if they come up several times you will sense God's heart, His intention for you and wade out into the River of the words you are studying and just soak in them.
Revelation will always come in waves and each wave will always carry you further up and further into His Presence - His Present Purpose for YOU.
As you do this the prophetic word you have received becomes bigger and the Word becomes bigger in your life and so do you - you increase as they increase and are at work in you releasing your ministry, destiny and purpose.
Danny Koralis wrote:
"The Lord said that walking in Spirit of prophecy is more than simply speaking His words…It is living and experiencing both the glory and the BURDEN of His Words.
To "speak" a prophetic word is relatively easy. To "live" as a prophetic word and signpost (Christ in us) is the paradigm shift that many are sensing.
The question we need to ask ourselves is this: "What am I prophesying today?" It will shape the spiritual landscape of tomorrow."
"When the [Holy] Spirit dwells in a person, from the moment in which that person has become prayer, He never leaves him [when you receive the Spirit,You become Adam,the new Adam]. For the Spirit himself never ceases to pray in him [in sighs and groans so deep - that only the Deep in us can hear]. Whether the person is asleep [the Spirit watches, listens, hovers- never sleeps] or awake,prayer never from then on departs from his soul [the human heart, the human spirit - that Hill at Calvary with the the Light of the Resurrection streaming through the empty Cross is inside the heart of every Christian]. Whether he is eating or drinking or sleeping or whatever else he is doing, even in the deepest sleep,the fragrance of prayer rises without effort from his heart [from that place in us that cannot sin where the Holy Spirit dwells]. Prayer never again deserts him. At every moment of his Life, even when it appears to stop, it is secretly at work in him continuously. One of the Fathers [You will become one of the Desert Fathers - that Beholding and Becoming - You Christbearer], the bearers of Christ, says that prayer is the silence of the pure [in heart]."
Isaac of Nineveh - Ascetic Treatises, 85 - Remixed.
Be Anointed.
Mark
This is a marvellous testimony from Sue Young on how God can transform and heal Prophetic people for release into Ministry:
http://sueyoung.vox.com/library/post/ok-time-to-share-it.html
This is important and I decided to make these observations - because it applies to BOTH Anointed Companies AND Anointed Individuals like Graham Cooke or Patricia King:
BUT remember it is NOT some magical instantaneous process where by you suddenly achieve total and complete transformation and a perfected and completed spiritual formation - the impartation, anointing, healing and the release are instantaneous ALTHOUGH the spiritual formation and outworking of the Encounter are progressive and go ever deeper as you are being perfected and increasingly changed from Glory to Glory:
"Sue
This is extraordinary - I would like to say a few things about the Corporate Anointing and what happens when we enter into the presence of an Anointed Company - a company of believers who are doing Church and the HOLY Spirit is resting on ALL of them in a corporate way and the Glory of the LORD surrounds them - when we do Church we are a Prophetic and Apostolic Company:
"on the second evening there was Holy Spirit ministry at the front of the main meeting" - Sue Young
Kris Vallotton of Bethel Church, Redding, Califoria said this in commenting on a Prophetic Company:
"In the days of old, a person who encountered a prophet coming down from the mountains would be changed into another man. An invisible, supernatural vortex seemed to surround this prophetic company. In this vortex wicked men became righteous,..".
This reflection is based on these verses from 1 Samuel 10:
1 Samuel 10:5-7
5 "After that you will go to Gibeah of God, where there is a Philistine outpost. As you approach the town, you will meet a procession of prophets coming down from the high place with lyres, tambourines, flutes and harps being played before them, and they will be prophesying. 6 The Spirit of the LORD will come upon you in power, and you will prophesy with them; and you will be changed into a different person. 7 Once these signs are fulfilled, do whatever your hand finds to do, for God is with you.
1 Samuel 10:9,10
9 As Saul turned to leave Samuel, God changed Saul's heart, and all these signs were fulfilled that day. 10 When they arrived at Gibeah, a procession of prophets met him; the Spirit of God came upon him in power, and he joined in their prophesying.
This "invisible, supernatural vortex" IS the Corporate Anointing of the HOLY Spirit being released in POWER and Multiplication or a Synergetic outpouring - and this is what you experienced and entered into in the meeting and YOU have been changed and it is utterly glorious what the LORD Jesus Christ will NOW do through YOU and how He will release your Ministry."
The HOLY Spirit will ALWAYS create Healing and Transformative Environments - understanding "how to process" our Transformation is at the very Heart of our Spiritual Disciplines to paraphrase Graham Cooke or how we strengthen ourselves in the LORD Jesus Christ to paraphrase Bill Johnson.
I am going to put my support for Graham Cooke into some perspective:
I am fully aware that his "former colleagues" in Southampton UK are continuing with a Prophetic Training Ministry called 'Prism' - http://www.prism-training.com/ and that Graham is now seeking to set up a 'separate' Prophetic Training Ministry with Christine Larkin in the UK called '21st Century Prophetics':
21st Century Prophetics
21st Century Prophetics is Graham’s initiative to facilitate the raising up of a prophetic company in the UK, to see a prophetic church emerge and for the gift and ministry of the prophetic to be nurtured, valued and released.
Christine will be co-ordinating the region