A Profile of the Prophetic Person by R. Loren Sandford

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Thankyou, ....I cried and cried in my heart, reading this.

The journey in the desert of life behind me has been so very long -- after reading this, I would go back and do it all over again, knowing I would find this to read one day.

We surely are a different kind of personality than the others...it was like reading my own life story.

This surely blessed me, and I thankyou from my heart.

Julie

Hi. Walking the Prophetic is a Road of Fire and Tears. When I first started to really experiece the changes or the "opening" in the mid 1960s [it accelerated after the 1972 Charismatic Wave] that I later knew was the Prophetic "kicking in" - it was very much "Ground Control to Major Tom"......I can see your signature in the Spirituals and your Anointing for Deep Prophetic Intercession - your heart will be healed and is being healed.

In the Love of the LORD Jesus Christ.

Mark

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Hi Mark, thankyou for your reply, and your encouragement.

When the Lord wooed me out of a long prodigal journey, with a double portion of His absolute mercy, grace and shepherd heart-filled love, not to mentioned divine protection from childhood, and through the rebellious years, it was surely a treasure to be able to find my Father's heart again, returning forever to my First Love.

How kind the Lord has been to me, how faithful, patient and in love, He 'allowed' me, watching over my every step of gadding about with ever protective eyes and concern, fully knowing, that I would return to the darkness of the world, and there I found His light --- in a miraculous way.

The Prodigal in us in certainly so heartfelt glad to know that returning to the Father's house there He will be with open arms and a cloak of His love around us. I admit I was very concerned about meeting 'the older brother' at the door of His house -- however, in those hidden years, He counselled me, and was always way ahead of me. Even if 'we think' we are going 'our way', He knows that we are in fact following Him, as He is the shepherd in front of us, leading us with angels at our side, in our every footstep.

The older brother is to be equally encouraged for his faithfulness, and Im sure the two brothers would find a new and deeper sibling friendship when the Father showed a perfect role model of 'my son has returned, and I Am rejoices'.

In a desert without God, it just isnt a safe place.

How patient the Lord has been toward me; His love broke through and I was no longer captive, His heart tranferred into mine again, and the 'egypt' within me was completely emptied and replace with a fulness of Him.

Just recently I wrote a 'prophetic word' for our Pastor, and I can't help but say, that in part, 'an Elijah wind is coming into His house' -- I believe the prophetic saints are marching back to their first love, and the stomping of the vast amount of them can be heard in my heart. They will be tired, smelly, bruised, broken, refined and ready to speak boldly forth, in total surrender, in spirit and in His truths; and the wise healthy balanced Pastors, with shepherd hearts, will lead them gently back into the fold of His house.

For too long, the misunderstood prophetic saints have been unable to feel safe enough to return to the Lord's house -- in complete understanding, there may have previously been 'false prophets' that hurt wonderful true shepherds and the brethren in years past. Though I believe the Lord has sharpened those who are in our arena of gifting, with much tears and repentance, He has led them into strong understanding --- and the sword of His word is seared in their hearts.

His house operates and flows completely effective, with His approval, with a five fold ministry; and for those of us who have been chosen to serve Him and His brethren in the prophetic, in humility and in love, He will speak His truth in us for the building up of the body in these last days.

My Yeshua, My Lord, My King of Kings, My Counsellor, My Abba, Daddy, El Shaddai...is soon to return for His bride.

blessings

julie

Julie

The LORD wants YOU to work on this:

Ephesians 4:15 Instead, speaking the truth in love, we will in all things grow up into him who is the Head, that is, Christ.

OK: I am going to reach out and touch your Heart. You are going start to experience some shifts in your Heartland - some perceptual shifts and new ways of expressing yourself in loving tenderness BUT with a burning passion for the Truth.

The LORD is also going to send HIS Angel ahead of YOU in pastoral situations and you are going to have aseries of Divine Appointments and Assignations.

YOU are going to move to a place where His LIVING WORD is not seared in your Heart BUT sealed in your Heart and that is where your strength will be hidden and it will be this:

Psalm 91:1 (NKJV) She who dwells in the secret place of the Most High
Shall abide under the shadow of the Almighty.

Now I am going to give you some of my Anointing and your words are going to have POWER and I mean POWER - and I am going to do this by prophesying to the John 3:8 Wind that is following through YOU - I am prophesying to the Breath, HIS Ruach!

Your Anointing will increase and your Christian Character will deepen.

In the Love of the LORD Jesus Christ.

Mark

Hello Mark,

Your pastoral heart shines through, thankyou so much for your encouragement and I took note of it all; already there is a joy a witness in my heart as I read your words.

Unbeknown to you, it is so true, the Lord has brought to my attention of speaking the love in truth, as ones with our calling, especially in the days of immaturity, we can be harsh, that black and whiteness is of no use to the Lord unless we speak with the character of His Son; Gal 5.21 is perhaps a scripture we need to meditate upon, girding ourselves with those words as we clothe ourselves with His armour each new morning.

Isaiah is perhaps one of my more favourite readings -- his eloquence of speech and sound narration of the Hebrew -- one not to mince his words, that are prompt with a deep reverence and passion for His Lord.

Psalm 91:10 -12 was also a scripture that is very special to me, one I first was given in my earlier years -- that His angels have surely watched over me, and continue to do so -- the hunger within me now to know Him more intimately, to serve Him for His purposes, to seek Him first, and His righteousness is a joy that I cannot express.

His love changes us -- perfectly and completely -- we no longer are captive to the world if we just dare to seek Him first.

These surely are the days of Elijah; His spirit is pouring out upon the world, we are a blessed people to be in His service.

Just yesterday in my writings the Lord had impressed on me that we are not to be a people alseep, that we are to 'Wake Up', that His house is not to be turned into a marketplace, He also impressed upon me that He will not bless passivity in His house or complacement attitudes.

He will 'shake up' His house, that gossip, murmuring, dissenion and the like is to cease; this grieves Him. The enemy tries over and over at opportune moments to work through people where offence, unforgiveness, pride and 'religion' remains in their hearts.

He will sweep clean His house where the tares try to lord over the wheat, yet they will both remain as this is His protective measure that the wheat is not mistaken for the tare.

We are a people that must pray, seek His heart, stand in the gap as He leads us to, be vigilant watchmen and women, that our eyes and ears guard His temple, that our branches are attached to His vine, and that they may be laiden with much fruit in His service to others, as His ones who worship in spirit and in truth, as His servants.

Your words spoken over me are received with much gratitude; I praise Him for loyal servants and divine appointments that we may know Him more.

'If my people, will humble themselves and seek His face.....then I will bless them, then I will heal them...."

julie

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Any person willing to seek God and hear from him then speak for him is operating prophetically, It is only the tool of the enemy to make one so self
involved that all of the attention is turned from hearing God to yourself. You will spend your whole life working on yourself trying to get yourself somewhere and never do anything for God, In one act of Holy Ghost power Peter received the boldness and insight to preach repentance to those who confronted them on the day of Pentecost and gave them the prophecy of Joel. And ye shall receive power after the Holy Ghost comes upon you. Get the power and you can do all things through Christ that strengthens you. It's not by your might or your power but by the Spirit of God. Stop all your whining and get to seeking the power of the prophecy, God will do it all, If you are willing to have a coal of fire touch your lips. You call yourself prophetic, then believe what the word says, your unbelief is the source of your depression and your desire to please people rather than speak for God. Do you want to be popular, a show business prophet tell people
their phone numbers, or how in thee days they will have a great ministry, or
someone will give them riches if they sow into you ministry. Jesus took a whip to people like that and drove them away from Gods house. If you sleep with Jezebel he will throw you into a bed of tribulation, and the children that come from your fornication will perish, because false doctrine brings death.

Numaghost

I am interested in your comments BECAUSE I do discern the HOLY Spirit at work in you ALTHOUGH you are about to experience some refining and it is going to be tough and you can test me in this. I KNOW WHO I AM and I know YOU - I can see You and what you are becoming - you are at a crossroads, there are choices - choose wisely - mercy always triumphs over judgement.

Mark

If you can see me then I am a failure at seeking the kingdom, because it has been only my desire to obey and represent Jesus the foundation of all I have built upon, You may think that I am Judgmental and I get that a lot but you do not know what my intentions are nor do you know who I am, or where I have come from in Jesus, I do not have a popular ministry and it has been my desire
to be loved by all and believe me I know how to do that, but I have a word delivered to me from Jesus and he is not at all happy with his church
THE WORD OF THE LORD RECEIVED AUGUST 5, 2003.

Hold on, grab hold of the solid foundation. For I the Lord shall begin a shaking. For I have eyes that go to and fro in all the earth. I have seen transgression. Judgment shall begin in the house of the Lord. There are those who call themselves servants but they are of the house of Absalom, and they are sons of Aaron. For they have offered strange fire unto me and they have sought to take my throne for themselves. They have committed whoredoms in my sight, and joined the Holy One of Israel unto prostitutes. I will cast them out as the whore casts out the water of her cleansing. For I am he that has eyes as flames of fire, And I am he that has feet made of brass and in my hand is a rod of iron that my Father gave me to rule the nations. I have stood before my tree and found it to have rotten fruit, but also I have found good fruit, because of this my Father will prune the branches, and cast those of the Synagogue of Satan into the fire. Cover your eyes saith the Lord. For what I am about to do will astonish you for I shall cause the strongest of men, that their hearts will fail them for fear. For I will send fire and pillars of smoke and shake the very foundations of Heaven and cause her stars to fall. Fear not ye who are of the house of the Lord. For I shall overshadow you, and those that gather unto me I will cover with my wings of protection, and I will put in your hand the prosperity of the Lord, and you will have a touch that is like unto gold, and I will cause your leaf not to wither, For whatsoever you do it shall prosper and yea though ye be as dry as a wilderness, and yea though ye be as dead as Aaron's rod, I the Lord will make a fountain spring forth in you and I will make you bloom and bring forth fruit, and whosoever shall stretch forth their hand against you it shall wither, saith the Lord. And whosoever shall seek to take your office shall turn leprous, saith the Lord. For those things that I say I shall do saith the Lord, and those things that I speak I shall bring to pass, none shall hinder me nor shall none quench me saith the Lord.

Numagost

I read a lot of this type of material from other 'prophetic voices' around me.

So:

1. Shaking. YES.

2. The sequential apocalyptic material. I find the Trinity to be very DEEP and subtle in their Prophetic and Incarnational Intentionalities.

3. The Prophetic Office - I KNOW WHAT I AM DOING or "I KNOW MY BUSINESS" - to quote Smith Wigglesworth. This discussion is not an accident. As for turning leprous I am prepared to take that on - I know exactly what I am doing and my sphere of ministry.

As for you - your whole paradigm for engaging the prophetic office and the prophetic ministry will be changed and radically altered in the next six months - You will become a different man. Really, you can test me in this - you will very quickly find out if I am the real deal or simply shouting into the wind.

Mark

Numagost

Try taking this part of your Prophetic Word:

"For I shall overshadow you, and those that gather unto me I will cover with my wings of protection, and I will put in your hand the prosperity of the Lord, and you will have a touch that is like unto gold, and I will cause your leaf not to wither, For whatsoever you do it shall prosper and yea though ye be as dry as a wilderness, and yea though ye be as dead as Aaron's rod, I the Lord will make a fountain spring forth in you and I will make you bloom and bring forth fruit"

And I am going to use some material from Graham Cooke - who is a Spiritual Genius and the real ticket when it comes to the Prophetic - there are others - John Paul Jackson, Dutch Sheets, James Goll, Kris Vallotton, Larry Randolph, R. Loren Sandford to name a handful - BUT for the moment just run with Graham Cooke in this particular discussion:

[Something happens in the Spiritual and Heavenly Places when you encounter Spiritually Deep and Heavenly Men and Women - You find yourself having to swim for it and you also receive an Impartation in the form of a Divine Acceleration whereby if you could slay 1,000s before, You can now slay Tens of Thousands.

These people are Temples of the HOLY Spirit and Living Water is flowing out from them.

Ezekiel 47:1 -6

The River From the Temple


1 The man brought me back to the entrance of the temple, and I saw water coming out from under the threshold of the temple toward the east (for the temple faced east). The water was coming down from under the south side of the temple, south of the altar. 2 He then brought me out through the north gate and led me around the outside to the outer gate facing east, and the water was flowing from the south side.

3 As the man went eastward with a measuring line in his hand, he measured off a thousand cubits ] and then led me through water that was ankle-deep.

AT FIRST, LISTENING TO SOMEONE LIKE GRAHAM COOKE IS EXPERIENCING THE ANOINTING OF THE HOLY SPIRIT IN THEIR WORDS FLOWING OVER YOUR FEET - THEN IT STARTS TO RISE AND BECOME DEEPER.

4 He measured off another thousand cubits and led me through water that was knee-deep. He measured off another thousand and led me through water that was up to the waist.

IT QUICKLY REACHES WAIST LEVEL AND CONFIRMS THE GOSPEL - THAT BELT OF TRUTH.

5 He measured off another thousand, but now it was a river that I could not cross, because the water had risen and was deep enough to swim in—a river that no one could cross.

IT WILL BECOME SO DEEP - YOU WILL JUST HAVE TO SWIM FOR IT - SWIM FURTHER IN AND DEEPER INTO THE ANOINTING OF THE HOLY SPIRIT FLOWING THROUGH AND IN THEIR WORDS.

6 He asked me, "Son of man, do you see this?"

SO, DO YOU SEE THIS?

John 7:38 Whoever believes in me, as the Scripture has said, streams of living water will flow from within him."

1 Corinthians 6:19 Do you not know that your body is a Temple of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own

AND SO, IF YOU SPEND SOME TIME LISTENING TO SAY GRAHAM COOKE YOU WILL BECOME ABLE TO SLAY YOUR TENS OF THOUSANDS...YOU MAY ARRIVE BEING ABLE TO SLAY YOUR 1,000s BUT YOU WILL LEAVE BEING ABLE TO SLAY YOUR TENS OF THOUSANDS:

1 Samuel 18:6,7

6 When the men were returning home after David had killed the Philistine, the women came out from all the towns of Israel to meet King Saul with singing and dancing, with joyful songs and with tambourines and lutes. 7 As they danced, they sang:
"Saul has slain his thousands,
and David his tens of thousands."

This is the real meaning of Divine Acceleration and the Anointing is Communicable.

Here is weblink to Graham Cooke in Myspace with four of his 'Sermons':

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=176560889

I have to say I like Graham Cooke a lot so I have chosen him as an example to illustrate this BUT thre are others I could choose, like Bill Johnson for instance.]

So try this:

When we deal with Prophetics or when You receive a prophetic word, God is speaking to You and into You on one level and releasing You on another level into His purpose, His intention for you.

As that word begins to communicate with you - prophesy to you and as you begin to respond and study the word you have received and really study it - things open out, springs open up - there is always more revelation in the subtext.

Every prophetic word has two attributions - surface and depth - you can skate over the surface of the word or you can dive down into the depths and when you launch out into the deep of the word you have received - things open up - the word starts to speak a deeper and more profound level into who you are becoming through His grace and work in You and your faith in Him.

The promises that the Lord releases into your Life through scripture as the Living Word and prophetic words quicken us - they set us on fire - when they enter us - when HIS BREATH ENTERS US,THAT FILLING AND RELEASING - we receive security, certainty, confidence, vision, strength and purpose.

So - additonal meaning is always embedded and hidden in every prophetic word you receive - whether it comes through Scripture as Rhema or someone speaking into your Life.

As you start to swim out into the deep places of the Word you have received and dive down into the word - more springs of the Deep open up and more revelation is released.

The word you receive will show you your gaps,where you have inadequacies but it will also start to tug at you and call you forward - call you out of yourself into Him and his ever abounding and abiding grace - which always meets us at our lowest point and takes us up on Eagles Wings - His Grace and Your Faith turns insecurity and inadequacy into vulnerability and peace - His opened side for you and His peace that flows into you like a rising tide.

Meditate, grab hold of the word you receive and the Holy Spirit will release supporting scriptures - write them down and allow the seeds to keep growing up into trees and seeding again.

Prophecy begins a process in each of us - build your prophetic word into your Devotional Life and routine - this is walking it out - it is walking the territory God is releasing into your Life- it is taking possession of the promise.

Stand, kneel. lie on the words you receive - press them out and press on through - meditate on the implications of the words you receive and follow the songlines and trails that the Holy Spirit opens up to you as they will lead to scriptures and other prophetic words - this is a Living Process, a Rule of Life, a Rule of Faith, a Rule of Love.

When you get a prophetic word write it down in short paragraphs -not just as one long block of words - so that you can pray through the word devotionally and prophetically- then to study the word write it out in double spaced bullet points and more revelation will come.

Write down the additional revelation YOU are receiving in the gaps between the bullet points and then use it in devotional prayer -start asking the Lord to make YOU the person YOU need to become for that word to be released and fulfilled in your Life.

Our Hearts always respond and open in a fundamental way to His Revelation.

When you read prophetic words and stuff look for repeated phrases and words - activators which speak into your spirit and if they come up several times you will sense God's heart, His intention for you and wade out into the River of the words you are studying and just soak in them.

Revelation will always come in waves and each wave will always carry you further up and further into His Presence - His Present Purpose for YOU.

As you do this the prophetic word you have received becomes bigger and the Word becomes bigger in your life and so do you - you increase as they increase and are at work in you releasing your ministry, destiny and purpose.

Danny Koralis wrote:

"The Lord said that walking in Spirit of prophecy is more than simply speaking His words…It is living and experiencing both the glory and the BURDEN of His Words.

To "speak" a prophetic word is relatively easy. To "live" as a prophetic word and signpost (Christ in us) is the paradigm shift that many are sensing.

The question we need to ask ourselves is this: "What am I prophesying today?" It will shape the spiritual landscape of tomorrow."

"When the [Holy] Spirit dwells in a person, from the moment in which that person has become prayer, He never leaves him [when you receive the Spirit,You become Adam,the new Adam]. For the Spirit himself never ceases to pray in him [in sighs and groans so deep - that only the Deep in us can hear]. Whether the person is asleep [the Spirit watches, listens, hovers- never sleeps] or awake,prayer never from then on departs from his soul [the human heart, the human spirit - that Hill at Calvary with the the Light of the Resurrection streaming through the empty Cross is inside the heart of every Christian]. Whether he is eating or drinking or sleeping or whatever else he is doing, even in the deepest sleep,the fragrance of prayer rises without effort from his heart [from that place in us that cannot sin where the Holy Spirit dwells]. Prayer never again deserts him. At every moment of his Life, even when it appears to stop, it is secretly at work in him continuously. One of the Fathers [You will become one of the Desert Fathers - that Beholding and Becoming - You Christbearer], the bearers of Christ, says that prayer is the silence of the pure [in heart]."

Isaac of Nineveh - Ascetic Treatises, 85 - Remixed.

Be Anointed.

Mark

This is a marvellous testimony from Sue Young on how God can transform and heal Prophetic people for release into Ministry:

http://sueyoung.vox.com/library/post/ok-time-to-share-it.html

This is important and I decided to make these observations - because it applies to BOTH Anointed Companies AND Anointed Individuals like Graham Cooke or Patricia King:

BUT remember it is NOT some magical instantaneous process where by you suddenly achieve total and complete transformation and a perfected and completed spiritual formation - the impartation, anointing, healing and the release are instantaneous ALTHOUGH the spiritual formation and outworking of the Encounter are progressive and go ever deeper as you are being perfected and increasingly changed from Glory to Glory:

"Sue

This is extraordinary - I would like to say a few things about the Corporate Anointing and what happens when we enter into the presence of an Anointed Company - a company of believers who are doing Church and the HOLY Spirit is resting on ALL of them in a corporate way and the Glory of the LORD surrounds them - when we do Church we are a Prophetic and Apostolic Company:

"on the second evening there was Holy Spirit ministry at the front of the main meeting" - Sue Young

Kris Vallotton of Bethel Church, Redding, Califoria said this in commenting on a Prophetic Company:

"In the days of old, a person who encountered a prophet coming down from the mountains would be changed into another man. An invisible, supernatural vortex seemed to surround this prophetic company. In this vortex wicked men became righteous,..".

This reflection is based on these verses from 1 Samuel 10:

1 Samuel 10:5-7

5 "After that you will go to Gibeah of God, where there is a Philistine outpost. As you approach the town, you will meet a procession of prophets coming down from the high place with lyres, tambourines, flutes and harps being played before them, and they will be prophesying. 6 The Spirit of the LORD will come upon you in power, and you will prophesy with them; and you will be changed into a different person. 7 Once these signs are fulfilled, do whatever your hand finds to do, for God is with you.

1 Samuel 10:9,10

9 As Saul turned to leave Samuel, God changed Saul's heart, and all these signs were fulfilled that day. 10 When they arrived at Gibeah, a procession of prophets met him; the Spirit of God came upon him in power, and he joined in their prophesying.

This "invisible, supernatural vortex" IS the Corporate Anointing of the HOLY Spirit being released in POWER and Multiplication or a Synergetic outpouring - and this is what you experienced and entered into in the meeting and YOU have been changed and it is utterly glorious what the LORD Jesus Christ will NOW do through YOU and how He will release your Ministry."

The HOLY Spirit will ALWAYS create Healing and Transformative Environments - understanding "how to process" our Transformation is at the very Heart of our Spiritual Disciplines to paraphrase Graham Cooke or how we strengthen ourselves in the LORD Jesus Christ to paraphrase Bill Johnson.

I am going to put my support for Graham Cooke into some perspective:

I am fully aware that his "former colleagues" in Southampton UK are continuing with a Prophetic Training Ministry called 'Prism' - http://www.prism-training.com/ and that Graham is now seeking to set up a 'separate' Prophetic Training Ministry with Christine Larkin in the UK called '21st Century Prophetics':

21st Century Prophetics
21st Century Prophetics is Graham’s initiative to facilitate the raising up of a prophetic company in the UK, to see a prophetic church emerge and for the gift and ministry of the prophetic to be nurtured, valued and released.

Christine will be co-ordinating the region